Growing Family

My son and his wife shared with me their good news this week.  They feel they are where they need to be financially to add a second child to their family, (which they plan to be their last).  I am happy for them but shocked by how much it costs to have a child today. I’m not talking about the cost of raising a child from birth to age 18, but the cost of birthing.

You may laugh when I tell you that when my son met his wife she informed him she wanted at least 8 babies.  She loved children!  While my son loved children as well, he didn’t want 8.  He saw the practicalities of having such a large family and the hours he would have to work to support that many children the way he would want to.  He listed all his reasons for not wanting such a large family, from the size of the home, costs of groceries that would be needed, even down to the size of vehicle they would have to drive.  In the end the two of them decided 3 children would be the proper number for them to have.

Once their daughter was born they reevaluated their decision of more children and decided 2 would be even better, although my son is holding out insisting if they have 2 girls he “might’ want to try one last time for a boy, but tells me he really does want to stop at 2 children.

Their decision to have a first child came after they were comfortable with the idea of living on one income to avoid split schedules or some sort of child care costs.  The decision to have a second child was put on hold until my son was able to find more free time to enjoy and participate in the raising of their family.  This was done by changing his career.  He became a licensed real estate agent who also handles property management. This work is flexible enough to let him set his own hours and work mostly from home. When he was comfortable with that income he stepped down from his management position in retail sales to part-time sales of only 20 hours a week which guarantees him and his family of a quality health package.  Yes, he is very fortunate to  have found a company that provides full medical for their part-time employees. :-)

While I could write an entire post on population I thought instead I would share this infographic with you on the cost of childbirth.  I was shocked when I witnessed first-hand the way childbirth is handled today in the hospitals when their first child was born.  The amount of drugs that are pushed on the mother in a time when the last thing she wants to be doing is making decisions was in my opinion not a good thing.  While they explored the idea of a home birth my daughter-in-law wasn’t comfortable in the end with this choice.  If she will consider it again this time I don’t yet know.

What is missing in this infographic is the cost of the drugs that are used.  The practice of administering a spinal block as soon as the woman arrives is now common practice and with the block comes the need for more drugs to prevent the labor from stalling.  This is constantly increased as the hours drag on.  Everything involving the drugs is monitored on a computer, which I can only assume the cost of which is passed on to the family in the end.

If you have any tips on keeping the cost of pregnancy and birthing down please share in the comments I’d like to be able to pass them on to my son and his wife.

The Sky-High Cost of Birth
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60 thoughts on “Growing Family

  1. First congratulations on your growing Family Lois.. And WOW! Am I so pleased we live in the UK… We often knock our own National Health Service ( NHS).. But we do get Free treatments, all be it we contribute to its funding via our wages in National Insurance Contributions ( NIC )in which we pay so much and our employers pay so much.. The amounts varies depending upon your salary as its based upon a percentage of earnings.. As is your Tax.. This ( NIC) goes towards your Government pension scheme too.. But you can also take out a private pension if you wish with your employer or private insurance company..

    I wonder how anyone can afford these prices, and I am sure the drug list is pushed to increase their profits too.

    I often think back to our ancestors and wonder how modern day Mums would cope with the natural child birthing days of by-gone times???

    • Sue, you really are fortunate to have your health care system. Here even if our employers offer health care everyone pays a flat amount regardless of income. My oldest was paying $100 per pay check (bi-weekly) to have mediocre coverage.

      Insurance will pick up a good percentage of the costs, if you have it, if you don’t and can’t qualify for free medical through the state (for the poor) you are pretty much out of luck. It’s not uncommon to be turned away if you don’t have medical coverage by hospitals, although it’s a contentious issue because all illegal immigrants get free medical. :-(

      • Yep thats about right, same here too. We have those coming from overseas who do so, because they know they can get free treatments,… So unfair… when people in your own countries are turned away to suffer.. or worse die for the lack of care!

        • It is unfair, unfortunately here the federal government hasn’t kept up their bargain to reimburse the hospitals for treating the illegals, as a result many hospitals in areas with large numbers of illegals have had to close their doors.

  2. Congratulations! What incredible costs! As Quarteracre said, it’s relatively ‘cheap’ in Australia to have kids (and like most developed economies, it should be if they want us to grow grow grow, despite what might be good for the world).

  3. In Australia those that have private health insurance can give birth in a private hospital with their choice of doctor, a private room and nice meals. Or you can go public, which costs very little, you don’t get to choose your doctor, have a very short stay, no private room of course, and having stayed as a public patient for my surgeries, food that is edible, but couldn’t be described as nice. We are very lucky in Australia, that everyone can have access to medical care. Health insurance as part of your job package is not very common.

    • Your hospital options are interesting, but I don’t like the food at any hospital here. :-) I would have an issue with not being able to choose my own doctor, but a short stay is longer than I care to be in any hospital.

      Employer insurance is becoming harder to get here as prices rise and employers drop coverage.

  4. we had a midwife and a doula. The midwives group we went with was part of a hospital group, so we did deliver in the hospital but with a midwife. The pros about this is keeping the labor and birth as natural as possible, hence less, and in most cases no use of drugs. Before or after birth. Also would be great to have a birth plan, where they have in writing what they want to happen (eg, no epidural, no pitocin, low lights, minimal hospital staff in the delivery room, and so on). When we faced question such as “are you sure you don’t want an epidural?”, we just pointed at the written paper (that was handed to them right in the beginnning). Sad to say, our labor/delivery costs (before insurance) was about $12000, while my kidney stones surgery last year were about $17000 x4 (surgeries). So in reality having a baby is not more expensive than having an unexpected simple surgery.

    • Daniela, I am glad to hear you were able to have the delivery you wanted. Things have come a long way since I had my sons but not all hospitals are as agreeable to our wishes even now.

      Your kidney stone surgeries were outrageously expensive! But like with a lot of surgeries, such as heart surgery the costs can be astronomical. I hope this will be the end of your need for more surgeries and you have recuperated well.

  5. That is shocking and just confirms that the US is as crazy as we think it is… (we sat incredulous at the Michael Moore documentary about healthcare back then).

    I had my daughters in the 80s and 90s and my daughter has had two children in the last 5 years. In Switzerland we don’t have free health care (like the UK National Health Service or France) but we do have obligatory health insurance for everyone. If you’re one of a low percentage who receive social benefits, the government or more likely the community, will pay the health insurance premium for you.
    Of course, in those days having kids wasn’t quite the industry it’s become all over the western world. I had my first daughter in hospital and had to stay a week, partly because I was given blood transfusions after a difficult birth and partly because the paediatrician who checks the newborns only used to be there once a week… A midwife did most of the birthing care until almost the end when a doctor came because it was a suction delivery that required two pairs of hands and he had to sew me up afterwards. We had excellent care from the nursing staff during the week I was there, firstly in a private room (I’m not privately insured!) and then in a 4-bed room, very peaceful and quiet.
    My other two daughters were born in different hospitals (none of these three hospitals was more than a few miles from where I lived), again 1-2 midwives and a doctor just at the end of the birth and to check the newborn. However, with these two I opted to leave the hospital within a few hours (the last daughter was a water birth), which meant a local midwife cared for me twice daily at home for a week and was on call to me for up to a month if I needed her services, either for me or my baby. We took the baby to the paediatrician ourselves for a check-up after 4 days and for blood tests that are sent away for analysis.
    All supplies and any medication was covered by our health insurance. We didn’t pay a penny.
    And what is more, it’s still the same. My daughter opted to have both her children in the hospital and return home within 4 hours with the same postnatal midwife care that I had. The premiums for health insurance have risen over the years but there are both cheaper and more expensive options and it’s rare to have to pay unless you want something really unusual on a “private” listing, you are never left out in the cold.
    On a day-to-day basis we pay 10% towards the cost of medication, there is little that isn’t covered.
    As for birth preparation – for my first and second daughters I attended a weekly class for about two months before the birth, at the hospital. The cost was very low and the health insurance paid a lump sum towards it.
    Although I was lucky and did not have drugs, caesareans or preemie babies, everyone I have ever spoken with here has had similarly good and low-cost care – insurance simply isn’t an issue and everyone can concentrate on the job in hand.

    What I have noticed, though, is when I went to a baby store with my daughter – apart from car seats there was NOTHING in that store that anyone actually needs for babies or small children and it was all very very expensive. No wonder people think having children is a luxury these days. I’m still shocked.

    • This discussion has been so interesting to me. I have to admit my ignorance about your health care until now. I had believed your health system was similar to that of the UK. Thank you for sharing your experiences. While I will admit that I get very good care in the US having found a wonderful doctor, the list of things that are being cut from coverage is growing every year and recently as the passage of what is being called Obamacare those items are being cut faster still.

      Your options as far back as the 80s and 90s for childbirth amaze me. I had heard of water birth then, but it was only an option if you were able to birth at home. I still don’t know any nearby hospitals that will offer it as the doctors don’t want to be bothered with anything other than what they are familiar with.

      Caitlin suggest the documentary The Business of Being Born, if you haven’t seen it I highly recommend it to show you the business birth has become in our hospitals It’s sad.

      We do have a similar program where a nurse will come to your home to check mother and baby in the first month or two, but it is only offered to those under the poverty line who are on welfare programs. The nurses I’ve met say the program is to educate the poor on how to care for a baby and to make sure the baby is safe, more like child protective services, because if you are poor the prevailing thought is you don’t know how to care for a baby.

      As for baby stores, I agree. I shake my head at all the things being pushed at parents that is “needed” to have a baby. Other than the car seat the only things I bought were some bottles for when I was unable to be home to nurse. Although by the time I had my second child a baby monitor would have been nice, but I made do.

  6. Congrats! I had two natural child births. They were both in the hospital. My oldest was a preemie and my second pregnancy was considered high risk given the early delivery of my son. My OB was amazingly supportive of my wishes for natural child birth. I also hired a doula for both labors. When I checked in at the hospital each time I informed the nurses of my wishes and specifically told them not to offer me drugs. My husband, doula and OB worked together to make sure my wishes were honored. The doula was worth every last penny.

    • Kandice, I do wonder if the great treatment you had, might have had something to do with the fact you had a doula there..Someone who was educated and informed and supportive of you, to the point where they might call the officials on things you did not wish, or at the very least, a professional doula who could easily and properly makes notes / testify on your behalf.

      sadly, it seems to me, that medical officials of all kind are only at their “best” when there is someone on the scene who can “call” them on things/testify …

      I am glad you had the doula, and it sounds like a wonderful idea for anyone who could manage the cost.

    • Kandice, I hope your oldest is healthy today, I don’t recall you saying anything contrary to that on your blog. I had to have my children in a hospital, like you do to being such a high risk and know I did the right thing, I can still wish the situation had been different.

      I had never heard of a doula when I had my boys so I never knew to ask for one.

      • Yes, my son is healthy today. He spent his first 3 weeks in the NICU. You would never, ever know it by looking at him today. Happy, healthy and ahead of grade level academically. We were fortunate.

        There is an international website for doulas. It is My doula cost $400 and she met with us before the birth to go over pain management techniques (some I preferred, some I hated), she went to one of my OB appointments so she and my OB could meet, she was with me for the entire labor, and then she made a post-partum visit at my home. She also took photos and wrote a birth story. It was an amazing experience. There are some amazing statistics about how the presence of a doula decreases the likelihood of emergency C-sections and the occurrence of epidurals, etc.

        • Kandice, I am so glad your son is fine today but I imagine it was rough in the early months for you. $400 is nothing for the peace of mind your doula gave you and much cheaper than a couple of doctor visits.

  7. As witnessed by all of the comments, most women have a story to share about childbirth whether it be their own or someone elses. I’m no different. I had two high risk pregnancies so some of my choices were limited as were yours. However, I was always part of the decision of what would be done even when it was a life threatening situation. (A hospital was absolutely the right choice for me.) I’m surprised that your experience is that a spinal block is pushed on everyone (spinal blocks are different than epidurals). I have never heard that either one has been pushed even when I talk to new mothers. Maybe there are regional differences. Also, keep; in mind, OB/GYN’s have the highest malpractice insurance premiums of any doctors. That may explain some of their testing. If it is a common test that is available and they don’t do it, they could be sued. That doesn’t mean that the test is always needed, but they are covering themselves.

    I guess that my advice would be interview doctors on their policies and general procedures in different situations and what hospitals/birthing centers they use and what the procedures are there. We can never predict what will happen during birth, but rarely does it go the way we hoped/imagine it would. Luckily in the end, it usually turns out okay.

    Most of all, congratulations to you and your family!

    • Thanks Live and Learn. I’m not sure what they policies are where you are, but I know that in both Pennsylvania and Arizona the women in my family and extended families have been told the block would make it bearable and it was pushed on the women in the last 5 years.

      I do know medical malpractice is very high for OB/GYN which even in the 80s was why my high risk pregnancies had me scrambling to find anyone who would take me on as a patient.

      Even with my family doctor when I refuse routine testing she has to bring in a witness to hear me refuse. She is wonderful with me, but I dislike that the doctor-patient relationship has come to this.

  8. That is wonderful news :) and it’s awaesome that your son as put himself in a position of being able to work minimally but with a good income (that surely must be the ideal!). This chart is a scary thing! We are very fortunate to have free maternity care here but the cost of raising a child is a biggy.

    • I have enjoyed the growth of my son. He was very career orientated as he grew up, but while he’s still got quite a drive he has found ways to have both the career and time with his family. I hope my oldest son can find a similar type of work now that he needs to find a new job. His last one was very stressful and involved many double shifts which cut down on family time.

  9. Best of luck to your son and his wife!
    I am going to give birth soon, and I am giving birth in a hospital. If I was going to do it again (which I most likely will not, because I think most of our problems are caused by overpopulation) I would probably go the midwife/birth center route. I have had friends who had homebirths successfully, but if either of my sisters had birthed at home they would have died, and that is enough for me to at least want to be in a birthing center with access to medical intervention if needed. (eclampsia, also had a good friend who hemmorhaged). While I like the idea of a natural birth, I do think there are instances where medical intervention is necessary.
    I have refused all tests that were not necessary and am planning on having a natural birth. The hospital I am going to is very good, I had my first son there and they will not administer drugs unless you ask, and they have very excellent breastfeeding resources (they actually tend to be a little hostile if you choose not to breastfeed, which I also think is bad).
    it is crazy how expensive it is. I do remember reading somewhere that the average cost in Europe was closer to $5,000.00. I have not had any vaccines while pregnant, but I did have whooping cough (pertussis) and it was awful.

    • I can see why you would be uncomfortable with a home birth. So many health situations can be genetic, running in families. I think it is great how many women are like you and are informed and choose what tests to accept. I felt lost by everything when I had my boys and information wasn’t all that forthcoming (1984 and 1987) I fought to have my boys stay with me in my hospital room, refused drugs, and refused to discuss a C-section.

      My daughters-in-law had their babies in different cities yet when it came to breastfeeding the education and help they received was poor. They each turned to me to help them figure it out, but breastfeeding is stressed here.

  10. Shop around for hospitals! I have a friend who had drugs pushed on her the whole time, then had an ignorant lactation consultant after the fact. At the hospital we used, they told me up front that I could request drugs at any time, but that they would not ask me if I wanted them. (I did end up requesting–I neither recommend nor regret that, it was what it was) While there were decisions that I’m not sure were the best, I did push for 3 1/2 hours on Memorial weekend, and didn’t end up with a C section. And my LC was really great.

    Another option, if there is one nearby, would be a free standing birth center. I have a friend who did that for her kids, and it was a nice middle-of-the-road between a hospital birth and a home birth. Or they could find a midwife who practices at the hospital. And I do know a LOT of people who have had home births.

    After the baby is born, by the way, breastfeeding and cloth diapering are great ways to save money. ;-)

    • You were so fortunate to find a hospital that didn’t push the drugs on you. You won’t get any judgment from me on the choices you needed to make during your labor!

      I like the option of a birth center, I didn’t know those existed as is a midwife that practices at the hospital. I will pass those suggestions on to them.

      All but one of my grandchildren were breast fed, and the newest member when he or she arrives will be too. But as for the cloth diapering, I think it would be a hard sell unfortunately.

  11. I lied, I am not done. I pretty much refuse to birth in a hospital (barring any complications that endanger either of our lives) because I do not trust a hospital. Oh, sure, let me give birth in the place full of sick people. Also, there are too many people around, and they DO NOT ALWAYS GET CONSENT for procedures performed. It’s sickening. I have heard stories of baby boys being circumcised without consent, babies being vaccinated without consent, and even mothers having C-sections WITHOUT CONSENT. Hospital birth is probably my biggest fear. I pray for a healthy pregnancy with the assistance of a competent midwife who listens to me and respects me.

    Also, ultrasounds! New evidence shows that they can harm the fetus. And people get them constantly. I will have maybe one or two ultrasounds, tops. If I could go the whole pregnancy without one, I would like to. I haven’t looked into that as much yet.

    Furthermore: Pushing vaccines on pregnant women with ZERO TESTING in pregnant or nursing mothers. I’ve heard from several women that they miscarried after their doctor pushed the flu or the TDaP shot. It’s just so sad. There’s even a number for you to call and report adverse reactions, because they are doing the “research” on pregnant women right now, and we’re all the guinea pigs. Every single flu shot insert says that there hasn’t been testing on pregnancy, nursing, or fertility. No thank you.

    Maybe I’m done now. lol!

    • I had heard about the ultrasounds and have seen first hand the vaccines that are forced on mothers but had no idea pregnant mothers are guinea pigs for research, why does this not surprise me?

      I too feared the hospital for delivery and hated it both times. But having Muscular Dystrophy I couldn’t find a midwife back then willing to risk her freedom to deliver for me and even doctors refused me as a patient because if I had complications or something went wrong it would raise their practice insurance.

      My second pregnancy was complicated by the fact that I had cancer at the same time, so again I was denied a home birth. In both cases, once I was in the hospital I lost all control of what happened to me or my baby. I always wished I could go back and do things my way. Today I believe with midwifery bigger I would hold out and do what I felt in my heart was the best for my baby and myself.

      I do have a funny story about a friend who gave birth at home you may enjoy. Her first child, a boy, was from an overseas adoption, later she became pregnant and had 2 healthy girls at home. Her youngest asked one day where each of them were born. My friend answered her son was born in a hospital in X country, and that the girls were born right there on the kitchen floor. A little later her daughter returned and announced she got it and said “boys are born in hospitals and girls on kitchen floors” we all had a good laugh at her expense.

  12. This is why I want a midwife assisted homebirth. $2500 for prenatal care AND the birth, the end. Boom. This stuff is ridiculous. Put on top of the cost of the hospital bills and prenatal visits the fact that doctors are inducing labor for no medical reason at all, which leads to higher C-section rates (which cost more money).

    I recommend that EVERYONE watch the documentary “The Business of Being Born.” Birth is a terrifying prospect in the US right now, because of the money, because mothers aren’t respected, and because of the immense control the medical industry has over the process, when it shouldn’t be “medical” at all.

    End of birth rant.

    • Love your rants, Caitlin. My daughter-in-law shared the documentary of The Business of Being Born with me when she was pregnant with her first. but seeing the pain scared her and sent her the route of the doctor and hospital instead. I thought the documentary was well done and recommend it to everyone like you do.

      I understood her fears of the pain from my first pregnancy. Until you experience childbirth you only have the horror stories shared with you which is why I told the other side of the story with my family. But my experiences weren’t enough to sway my daughters-in-law from being scared.

      We really have done a disservice to all women by talking about childbirth as a horrible experience. So glad you can see the difference now before you need to make the choice.

        • While I had my boys in the hospital I was drug free both times. It can be done. I have practiced meditation for years so when the pain grew intense I simply focused on one thing around me and kept my mind from where the pain was radiating. It worked and I at least got my way on the issue of drugs.

        • My 3rd birth was a water birth – it was all over in 90 minutes, no postnatal sewing and a lot less pain… :)
          The advantage is that both you and baby come out nice and clean LOL

          • I have heard water births are easier on both mother and baby. Shame that wasn’t an option here. I was required to stay in one position so as not to move any of the wires attached to my stomach monitoring the labor. It wasn’t exactly the way I had envisioned bringing a child into the world. The clean part is an added bonus. :-)

  13. Here in the UK my daughter had her first baby in hospital and felt so out of control (even though there is nowhere near the interventions you describe) Her second she chose to have at home,where she really was in control and what a joy it was for all involved!

    • Your daughter was so smart. Yes, the hospital, no matter how nice the room is still a hospital and the doctors and nurses control everything. She is very fortunate to have been able to experience both ways. It was my dream to have my children at home, but wasn’t permitted due to the fears the doctors had of my chances of survival.

    • Alex, I was ahead of my time, I wanted home births but was refused because of my disability. It is the one thing I regret I didn’t hold out for and insist upon even if it meant having a friend assist me.

  14. oh, I just read your info graphic…
    do they really insist on all that testing? genetic testing/ultrasounds/ etc etc?

    myself, I would just say NO thanks.

    when I was pregnant with my son (and this is as long as go as you…grin).
    at the time they were big in to “testing” (mostly because a)Doctors had discovered the joy of owning testing clinics…and the profits there of…Yes, we had free healthcare, so to speak, but Doctors had discovered if they owned /personally or in partnership) these clinics, they could send LOTS of patients there, and make LOTS of money) here are also some of the suddenly URGENT testing almost every young woman , pregnant got sent for
    Ultrasound, every month
    Blood tests to check levels of this or that
    tests for Downs
    genetic tests for other stuff
    even more cnt now recall

    anyway, along with this, I had read of suspicions at the time (still reading these fr time to time), showing serious concerns that Ultrasounds harmed the unborn’s hearing, and possibly caused brain damage. I recently read an article that further supported this, in that, they are now experimenting with using ultrasound on men’s testicles to kill off their sperm. this damage lasts for six months, and then they do it again. this was for male birth control.

    anyway, at the time I was pregnant, my primary care doctor was an older fellow, and I just met with him regular, and at six months he (as his policy) sent me to the “baby doctor” who would do delivery.
    well, this baby doctor had learned about the wonders of private clinic ownership, and the first thing he said to me (my husband was there), “You MUST go for ultrasound”..well we got worried and asked “WHY”, what did he notice.
    “oh nothing he said”, but his policy was to send every pregnant woman for ultrasound at least once a month
    we kept asking why? (really , if we had been given any reasonable reason, we would have had ONE, but ..)
    so he was getting more and more frustrated, and then finally he looked at us and said,
    “okay, forget it. I notice nothing concerning. so forget it. My mother had 12 children, and they were all fine, and she never had none of this “stuff”


    • Good for you asking why and sticking to your guns. Yes, they do required ultrasounds in almost all situations. The doctors say they can measure the baby and make sure the baby is growing as necessary. One thing my family has available to them and suggested often is genetic testing for Muscular Dystrophy. But surprisingly both my daughters-in-law refused. They said they would love their babies no matter what they might be born with and no test would change their mind. I was so grateful my sons found such wonderful women to share their lives.

  15. re childbirth..
    do they really insist on everyone having a spinal?
    up here in Canada, I know they do suggest it, but many (most do not)..From what I have heard from others which had it (I did not)< it frankly screws up a lot, plus of course, there is all those added chemicals for mom and baby to then cope with.

    what I would watch against, very closely, is up here, they seem to d a C- section at the drop of a hat. NOT good, for so many reasons. and of course down there would be the added expense.

    re things to actually "ward off" some of the trauma/expense of child birth, (and of course now past that), but from what I have heard younger women discuss/plan/do, these days, this is what I have seen young women do, these days. and after the birth, they do seem to think it helped.

    Educate themselves on current practices/stuff they shove at you, and ways others currently fend this off.
    -maybe there is a local group of young women they can meet with who are looking into this – if they can't track one down, phone a "doula", and say sorry, can't afford her services, but could she recommend such a group.
    -look for an online group/forum which works to this end
    -think about anyone local she may have run into who seems to have gone through the pregnancy / birth with less hassle, and ASK, "what did they do/how did they manage"…
    -and lastly, about those 8 kids…seriously, if she can find someone local who has a large family, ask them what they did/how they managed…chances are, if they have 8 kids, they have sorted out a thing or two.

    something I had always thought I would do (and there are classes for this now, I've read), is if I were having a baby now, I would search out what specific exercises would make birth a bit easier, what foods would maybe be specifically better for the muscles/baby, and try to work in as much of those as I could

    • Yes, they really do try and convince everyone to have the spinal block. They asked my daughter-in-law as soon as she arrived, when she said no, they asked again and again. My son left the room to meet me when I arrived and told me how frustrated he was with the constant pushing of the spinal, when we arrived in the room, she had given in to them and they were preparing the block. My son was very concerned by how frequently she received increases in meds to prevent the labor from stopping and by how little they checked her. His questions were rudely answered as well. Because of the block, which they continued through the delivery stage it slowed down birthing. Once she was told she could push I commented it was nearly over and the nurse corrected me telling me it would take 1-2 hours for her to deliver because she had no feeling. The moment the baby was born they took her handed my daughter-n-law papers to sign for needed immunizations. My granddaughter received 7 immunizations within three minutes of birth. I was horrified. My son was ignored and even treated condescendingly throughout the process.

      My other daughter-in-law was scheduled to have the spinal block as her doctor told her the pain of labor was too much for women to have to bear. But her daughter came too early for them to be able to administer it. She was so scared from the doctor’s warnings about the pain she tried to refuse pushing without the spinal. Part way through the delivery she remarked that I had been right when I said there was no real pain once you could push and has questioned since why the spinals are such big business. I have told her it’s so they can charge you more money.I really believe that as we women have been doing just fine birthing without drugs or even hospitals for hundreds of years.

      Many here to have C-sections. I hear how great it is because they (the mothers) can choose when to give birth so it doesn’t interfere with other plans or so they can schedule their time off from work. I shake my head knowing I would rather have the temporary pain of labor and childbirth than the longer healing process of the C-section.

      All great suggestions, Lynn. Thank you.

  16. hello,
    please pass on Congratulations.
    a funny story to pass on. When my son was 3, he informed me that he would be having 12 children. I said how nice. (grin)..Then, he informed me that he would be living next door to me so that we could “coffee” all the time. I was so pleased and said, “even nicer’. THEN, he informed me (this at 3), that this would also work so I (his MOM), could change all the poopy diapers, as he didn’t think he would want to. I then informed him that I would not be able to change these diapers (on his 12 children), as I was now allergic to this. He gave this grave consideration, and announced maybe he would then only have 2 children.

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